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Ulagankmy: புதிய பக்கம்: '''No Vedas and Brahmins in Sumerian Hinduism''' Dr K.Loganathan Jan 2011 I have already shown in many of my studies that the religion available in Sumerian lit…

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புதிய பக்கம்: '''No Vedas and Brahmins in Sumerian Hinduism''' Dr K.Loganathan Jan 2011 I have already shown in many of my studies that the religion available in Sumerian lit…

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'''No Vedas and Brahmins in Sumerian Hinduism'''

Dr K.Loganathan Jan 2011

I have already shown in many of my studies that the religion available in Sumerian literature is the temple-centered Agamism(or Tantrism). Here we can locate the presence of Yajna as part of the Solar Cosmology, but there is NO MENTION of the Vedas and Brahmins as the custodians of these Vedas and Hinduism as such. Thus it appears that the composition of the Vedas, their organization into the Three and later Four Vedas and along with this the birth of Brahmanism with its evil and criminal VarNasrama Dharma, are later developments, and certainly something that took place in the Indian soil and most probably in the North West India.

We can see also these Indian Brahmins used the important insights of the Sumerian Agamism and Solar Cosmology to develop the Brahmanism and along with it the VarNas that has corrupted almost the whole range Hindu literature in Sk, back-grounding in this the Tantrism also available there.

Below I provide some lines from Kes Temple Hymn( c. 2300 BC) that describes the temple personal and where we do not note anything like recitation of Vedic slokas, Yajna rituals Brahmins in the religious rituals and so forth.

We have such personnel as : nu-es-bi( Ta. Nuul isaibi: the one who recites verses? Line 106), lugal bur-ra > Ta. uLugaL pura ( the chief of the temple ? line 107), en-du sa ese-la> eentu saan isai azai: the great one who sings the song of calls, line 108), a-tu > Ta. aadu: the dancer, line 109) tu-e > Ta. Tuuvee: the sprinkler> , line 110), lal-e > Ta. Laalliyee: those who sing the laali songs, line 111), en-kum-e-me: Ta. eeN kammniee: yogis? , line 112), pa-ses> Ta sisya: the young helpers, line 113) etc.

The lines 113 onwards also descrine various rituals.

The point here is that there are no Vedas of Brahmanahs mentioned in all these. The closest we in Sumerian is Babbar > Ta, paarppar( brahmains) but this only a description of a deity probably the Sun God as in as-im-babbar etc.

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Kes Temple Hymn of En Hidu Anna, the Seventh Hymn 103 e-ku KU-bi e-nun ( The Holy temple, whose ...... is the princely temple) *Ta. ilkoo KU-bi il nunnee ( The house of God, whose ..... is the shrine of excellence) ( e-ku > il koo . Ta. koo-il> kooyil, koovil: temple ; nun-e Ta. nunnee : lofty and hence excellent) 104. e-kes-ku KU-bi e-nun) (The holy Kes temple, whose .... is the princely temple) * Ta. il keeci KU-bi il nun (The holy Keeci temple (inside which?) a shrine of excellence) 105. e en-bi (d) a-nun-na-mes ( The temple , whose lords are the Anunna-gods) *Ta. il ENbi vaanunnaa meeyiccu ( The temple whose ruler are the heavenly beings) ( en Ta. eeN> veeN> veeL: lord, ruler etc. . veeL> veeLir: the kings of the ancient Tamil kingdoms. a-nun-na> Ta. vaan-nunna: the beings concealed in the skies and hence the heavenly beings, the gods who are there with the invisible mantra-bodies; me-s, me-es Ta. -icu, iccu etc. Now a singular marker of the non person gender as vanticcu , pooniccu etc. Also for the feminine gender) 106. nu-es-bi giri-la e-an-na-me-es ( Whose nu-es priest are the sacrificers ? of Eanna) * Ta. nuul-icaibi kirialai el annai meeyaccu ( Those who recite verses go around the temple for the Mother ) ( nu-es Ta. nuul-icai: reciting verses Ta. nuul: a text, nuval: to utter ; giri Ta. kiri: that which are extended and hence the legs here. la Ta. alai: to roam about. an-na Ta. annai: Mother Goddess) 107. e-e lugal-bur-ra am-mi-gub ( The lugalburra- priest stepped up to the temple) *Ta. illee uLugaL puram aammee kubbu ( Inside the temple the chief of the enclosure always sits ) ( bur-ra Ta. puram: fortress, citadel, an enclosure etc. gub Ta. kuppu, kappu , kuntu etc. : to squat) 108. en-du sa ese-la am-mi-in-la ( The good en-priest ... held the lead-rope? suspended) *Ta. Veentu saan icai-azai azaimin aam ( The great one , the person sings the songs of calls, is there calling) ( es, ese Ta. icai: music, song etc. la Ta. azai: to invite, call etc. ; en-du Ta. veeNtu: the Great one, the king etc.) 109. a-tu sibir su bi-in -du ( The atu-priest held the staff) *Ta. aadu civiRi cuurbiyin edu ( The eunuchs? hold the fans with their hands) ( a-tu Ta. aadu: the dancer? sibir Ta. civiRi : the fans made of fine hair. Also see Ta. cavuri: hair attachments) 110. tu-e a-ur-ra-a am-mi-tum ( The ... brought the gathered waters) * Ta. tuuvee aal uuruva tuummin aam ( The sprinkler sprinkles running waters ) 111. lal-e ki-ku-ga am-mi-in -tus ( The ..... took his seat in the holy place) * Ta. laaliyee kiiz kooga tunjcuminin aam ( The one who sing the laali stays in the holy precincts itself) 112. enkum-e-ne ara ki am-ma-gal-le-es ( The enkum bowed down in prayer) * Ta. eenkummu-y-inee aRai kiiz kaaliiccu aamma ( The dancers or yogis gathered in the lower grounds) Enkummu: those who dance or remain in deep silence , ara : Ta. aRai: room 113. pa-ses--e-ne kus mu-un-sig-ge-ne ( The pases beat on the (drum-) skin ) *Ta. paa cissu-inee koosam mun siikkinee ( The youths beat on the (drum-) skin) ( pa Ta. paa: persons, -pa: the third person plural marker; ses Ta. cicu: child, ciiden : the student < Sk sisya; kus Ta. koocam: loud noise made as a group sig-ge Ta. ciikku: to beat) 114. e-sub uru-sub-a mu-ni-ib-be-e-ne (They recited the e-sub and uru-sub (verses) * Ta il cuba uuru cuba munin immiyinee ( They recited the songs for the security and welfare of the temple and the city) (sub Ta. cubam: safety security and welfare; ib-be Ta. immee: to mutter , to hum) 115. si-am-ma-ke gum-ga mi-ni-ib-za ( The bull's horn kept sounding) *Ta. cii amaake gummaka iyamci minee( The bull's horn kept sounding) (si Ta. cii : the peak, something sharp? cimam: the hill top, peak ; am-ma Ta. amaa: wild cow; gum-ga Ta. kummu: to crowd around as a herd) 116. (gis) al-gar-sur-ra suh-sah mi-ni-ib-za ( The drum sticks kept beating) *Ta. yaaz kaalcuRRuva cuucaa mini iyamciya ( The harp with legs to stand made the sounds cuu-caah ) ( al Ta. yaaz: harp gar-sur-ru Ta. kaal cuRRu : round legs? ) 117. tigi nun-du-ge mu-un-du-a ( The " good prince" played the tympanum for them) * Ta. tiki nun tungakee mun eduva ( They also played the tiki of fine and pleasant tones) 118. e al-du giri-zal-bi al-du ( The temple is built; its abundance is good!) *Ta. il vaLattu kiirai caalbi vaLattu ( The temple is prosperous, the harvest is plentiful) 119. e-kes al-du giri-zal-bi al-du ( The Kes temple is built; its abundance is good) *Ta. il Keci vaLattu kiirai caalbi vaLattu ( The Keeci temple is prosperous, the harvest is plentiful) 120 nin-bi DIN-bi mu-un-tus ( Its lady has taken a seat in its ...) *Ta. Ninbi DIN-bi mun tunjcu ( Its lady is resting inside....) 121. (d) nin-hur-sag-ga nin-bi DIN-bi-a mu-un-tus ( Ninhursag, its lady , has taken seat in its ...) *Ta. Ninoorsaangka ninbi DIN-biya mun tunjcu ( The lady of the mountain peak, its lady resides inside ....) =>>>>>> Note: Though I have not studied all the Sumerian Texts but have collected and studied quite a number of them and so far I have not come across any mention of Vedas and so forth while there are quite clear references to the Vedas even in the oldest C.Tamil literature like PuRa Naanuuru etc probably to be dated around 5oo BCE 

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Ulagankmy: புதிய பக்கம்: '''No Vedas and Brahmins in Sumerian Hinduism''' Dr K.Loganathan Jan 2011 I have already shown in many of my studies that the religion available in Sumerian lit…